RR ; i think shotgun said it all in his last post.. if you think the 1881 easter sunday stuff is bullshit. i would take ride to pittsburg with you , and check it out . if the pittsburg library proves me wrong so be it.. in trurt i don't think so. your a bronx boy and so am i. it's only 6 hours away . lets see if you have the balls to test it. i allready gave you my phone number. in pm plus from pittsburg to brooklyn is what the same distance from judea to jereselem of you take the hobekon ferry etc or waa that the finished mystery 1917. . i'll learn alot about the wt drivien to pittsburg. and you will most likey here my fordham rd mouth all the way back. don't forget a afternoon at russells pyramid at that masonic cemetery. were black people couldn't be buried till the 50's, your black butt and my white butt will look great standing next to russell grave. maybe we can look up some old grave leases were black , could not be buried there etc. because russell was the servant of jesus. RR me and you are going to have a great week in pittsberg. . we are going to do some research...pm me baby when you those big southern blvd balls... john
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Pastor Russell and 1914
by Kenneson in1. russell did not believe that 1914 marked the "beginning of the end" as do jehovah's witnesses.
rather, he pointed to 1799 for that (i.e., see zion's watch tower for nov. 7, 1893, page 24: in commenting on the discovery of the rossetta stone he states: "[the point is that 1799 was the very year beginning the time of the end when many would run to and fro and knowledge be increased.
' dawn, vol iii, chapter ii--editor]" .
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Cognitive Dissonance 101, Bethel Style
by Room 215 indo you remember these two gems of spiritual insight?
``at times explanations given by jehovah's visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view.
but this has not actually been the case.
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johnny cip
with out any of my interesting comments, it nice to see such truth , being brought back to the for front..john
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What the Hell??????
by dorothy in.
someone is erasing all my posts and i don't like it!.
(foot stomp)
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johnny cip
yea that sandwich topic was one of the best i've seen lately. to bad you didn't get a picture of the water bottle stuck up her butt. when she got up. bet it was the most stimulation she had in years.... john
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Get Your Holy Ass Off My Sandwich
by dorothy ini went to check out the special assembly day this weekend.
got there a hour and a half late but made it none-the-less.
anyway, when the lunch break started i took my daughter to go for a pee before we ate and when i came back some woman was sitting on my seat, right on top of my lunch bag!
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johnny cip
that's to funny; but i would have made a big stink. like she didn't fart on your lunch. no respect. and you call your self a christian, haven't you been listening to the talk? about loving your bro's. i would have marched her fat ass over to the store and made her buy me a new lunch. and told her i hope she felt good with that bottle up her a$$. .v no question i would had the whole section in an uproar. thaere is no excuse for that. john
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They came by today
by czarofmischief inso my wife is standing at the door, waiting for me to finish my morning ablutions so that we can go out, and she asks me to go to the door.
i met a very friendly couple who wanted to talk to me about jehovah.
i informed them that i was raised as a jehovah's witness and that i had been disfellowshipped for about (and i had to think about this) five years now.. and the dude was offended by my existence.
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johnny cip
czar; i've been reading your post here, and at first i will a little disappointed, because you were so nice. i like stories about how someone had the jw's mowing the lawn with thier teeth. but the fact is you can handle them in so many ways , to blow their big heads. you did fine and took that elders head out of the clouds. and let him know , he ain't shit. and you didn't even have to raise your voice. the look you put on his face, tells it all. i feel your pleasure john
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Pastor Russell and 1914
by Kenneson in1. russell did not believe that 1914 marked the "beginning of the end" as do jehovah's witnesses.
rather, he pointed to 1799 for that (i.e., see zion's watch tower for nov. 7, 1893, page 24: in commenting on the discovery of the rossetta stone he states: "[the point is that 1799 was the very year beginning the time of the end when many would run to and fro and knowledge be increased.
' dawn, vol iii, chapter ii--editor]" .
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johnny cip
rr; the info on russell standing on some bridge on easter sunday 1881 in pittsburg. wearing a white robe to be raptured into heaven . is in the book kingdom of the cults on the first few pages about jw's. with the references. as for the other instances of russell doing the same thing in 1878, and 1914 , i would need to look them up. if i run across them i'll post them. btw good personnal story.. john
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Were Russell's Associates Who Went To Prison Considered Faithful To The End
by minimus inthe watchtower regularly states that russell and his associates were truth seekers and that god considered them faithful watchmen, anxious to see the fulfillment of bible prophecies in the time of the end......my question is----did these folks (according to watchtower requirements) remain "faithful" or did they deviate from the "truth"?
if a number did not remain faithful, wouldn't this obviously show that the watchtower was once again purposely misleading people into believing that russell's group was used by jehovah to enlighten his people???
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johnny cip
rr , did hudging still proclaim that the jew returned in 1914. or did he fudge it. and change the dates? to his liking?
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Pastor Russell and 1914
by Kenneson in1. russell did not believe that 1914 marked the "beginning of the end" as do jehovah's witnesses.
rather, he pointed to 1799 for that (i.e., see zion's watch tower for nov. 7, 1893, page 24: in commenting on the discovery of the rossetta stone he states: "[the point is that 1799 was the very year beginning the time of the end when many would run to and fro and knowledge be increased.
' dawn, vol iii, chapter ii--editor]" .
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johnny cip
if i recall correctly did not russell except to be raptured in 1878 and 1881 and 1905 and 1912 aND 1914 ETC. RR ; don't make me look up this stuff. and he used bible verses to prove it etc. always calling it bible truth... right maybe you have micro film from the pittsburg newspaper of easter sunday 1881 were russell called the press to take pictures of him going to heaven, just like yo0u have microfilm of all the golden age mag's. why don't you post some of that 1881 easter sunday stuff for us to laugh at. john
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Problems with JW daughter-in-law
by QCA1 ini haven't been here in a long time so i'd like to say hi again.. i do want to share something with you if i may.
over a period of time my grandson who is 15 has been allowed to come over and stay with us as my yougest son is his uncle who is 16 they got on so well together talking football and rapping music.he would phone my son on a regular basis,and then his mother said he could stay over sometimes.the more he stayed with us the more he opened up about what was happening to him at home,he told me he didn't want to be a jw and was always rebellious towards it this i always knew.he is only allowed out with jw friends he he is monitered whilst on his computer and when he phoned my son his mum or dad(my eldest son)were always present.so he wasn't allowed a private phone call,my grandson told me that his mum and his dad were hitting him really hard and on several occasions he wanted to leave home.. i listened intently and felt sad and disappointed that he was being treated in this way as his dad was never treated that way as a child.my eldest son married a jw girl and after a few years i saw the change in him.
my daughter-in-law however is a control freak and she was hitting my grandson when he was a toddler as i threatened her once i would report her, not long after they moved to another area.. time went by and normality resumed.anyway,my grandson was telling me that his mother is bombarding him about armageddon and that if he dosen't conform he will die with no hope,he said nan i don't really believe that.
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johnny cip
HI Q: I would say your best bet is to go over to his school during school hours. to the office and ask to see him on a family matter. they will call him out of class. then you can talk to him in the hallway and see were he's at. ask him if he want's to talk to the school concelor. he has to be willing. if so you both of you can talk to the concelor and see what his options are. if the kid is basically a good kid they will help. that's your best option to get thing started. and help him even if your name is never spoke of. at the least you will get a chance to speak to your grandson in private... good luck john p.s. just going to the school will show you care. and will put you in a good position of he ever runs away and comes to stay by you
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Criticisms of Pastor Russell
by RR injens in a pm reminded me of a pastor russell biography that was in the works some years ago.
problems after problems prevented it from going forward.
in the meanwhile there have been a few pastor russell's biographies in the works, some by bible students others by outsiders.
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johnny cip
rr; your an interesting man almost like a jw in reverse. you said you beleive the pyramid in god's stone witness.? were do you get this outer space idea? russell or vol 3. i think you need to watch the history channell or get some books on egypt? then you say jesus will not be jealous of russell because he chose himlol, next you say it's ok russell called black's and other races dummies. jesus would have agreed with that? you are on contridiction beyond compare. boy the wt really screwed up your reasoning skills, and you brought them over to the bibles students. i i like your posts about the wt and you haves lots of good resesrch. but when you get on a thread about russell, you totally lose it. it's like your out in the pleides somewhere. that line about jesus not being jealous of russell takes the cake!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry my cut and paste don't work. or i would break down all your flip flops one at a time. as for implying your a christian and we are all complainers. your going out on a slim branch calling your self a christian. i live in the bronx , not6 far from you . if you ever like to go over some of russells teaching in person with me, it will be my pleasure. i'm sure if we ever meet you will act just like a jw' and get blown out in less than an hour., with your pridefull, haughty attitude... john